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The Australian Greens #ausvotes #election #politics

untold/animals  said about 5 years ago  or at  1:12PM on Sunday, August 15 2010 in chat

What do you think of the Greens' performance during this election campaign?

Personally, I've noticed a much greater emphasis on a coordinated publicity advance including billboards, TV ads and print advertising focused on the point that they're a viable alternative voice, not too divorced from the mainstream as to be irrelevant to middle Australia, and not a wasted vote.

With their appeal gradually broadening beyond inner-city lefties, and the disappointment of Labor's social/climate policies against an equally unambitious Coalition, Bob Brown and co are turning their eye ever more toward the mainstream. This is good, I think.

But it seems they have a lot of loose ends to tighten before they can really match the two major parties in terms of the consistency and clarity of their message. I've noticed little glitches in their pamphlet copy for example that seem either very poorly written or just ineffectual and potentially counterproductive (like Richard Di Natale's bio ending in 'Go Tigers'). The Greens MPs website also has a lolcat 404 error which just begs for the public and the media not to take them seriously.

Thoughts? Anyone involved with the Greens?

FrankieTeardrop  said about 5 years ago:

Lolcat 404 is quite endearing.

esquared  said about 5 years ago:

I think they need more prominent voices than just Bob Brown. Right or wrong, I think when a lot of people think Greens they think ''STFU Bob Brown''.

esquared  said about 5 years ago:

I dig 'em though.

raven  said about 5 years ago:

Aw untold objects to lolca 404 :(
''Go Tigers'' is a bit wrong though, yeah.

I think in a sense they're not really turning their eye toward the mainstream. Their broad policy base has never been able to get much of a public voice before, but because of Twitter and the net in general, and because they are anyway being seen as more of a viable alternative (at least as the third party/balance of power crew), people are becoming aware of more of what they stand for.

There is more spending on billboards and ads, but I think in part this is because of a couple of very large donations which have actually made this possible. They still refuse to take corporate donations, so they just don't have the budget the major parties do for advertising.

Glitches in pamphlet copy are a real bummer, but we have to realise that the number of paid staff the Greens have is laughably small - because they're a minor party without a lot of moneys. So they do a sterling job considering. Gotta start somewhere...

registradus  said about 5 years ago:

I think the ad with bob brown is great. all sensible common-sense arguments. hard to disagree with.

the reason they have typos/lolcat 404s is because they don't have any money. I'm not sure if it's a policy or just that they are an unattractive investment but they get none/hardly any money from corporations, just supporters. i think.

registradus  said about 5 years ago:

already said

registradus  said about 5 years ago:

and much better.

LeRayonVert  said about 5 years ago:

I think the inner city lefty thing is an exaggeration, I looked at some of the numbers here. For example 35% of the Green vote at the last federal election was from non-metropolitan areas. In SA where there is only one real inner city electorate (Adelaide), the Greens still got over the 4% threshold for public funding in every electorate in the state.

jonny42  said about 5 years ago:

I think they've done really well. They've definitley done a good job of putting out a more mainstream image. My dad whose a typical small L liberal said to me how the greens have ditched the tye die and put on suits. I've heard a few people at my work who have said they liked the way the greens have stuck it too the major party and after the gruen nation the other night everyone at my work (boring white collar office job) was talking about the pro greens ad and how good at was.

Jazzy  said about 5 years ago:

I'm just really happy that they seem to be gaining more momentum this campaign.

untold/animals  said about 5 years ago:

I agree that they must certainly face difficult financial challenges, but there are TONNES of progressives who are also professionals in media, online, etc etc.. who I can imagine would happily contribute their services (certainly something anyone can do without needing big money) to addressing these things.

Morris Iemma  said about 5 years ago:

I think Christine Milne is horrible. On a slightly unrelated note, I think the Australian Sex Party do a disservice to themselves by presenting themselves (mostly) as a joke.

Jazzy  said about 5 years ago:

Not sure that the greens are ready to become a major party, but I support a lot of their policies so will definately be voting for them in the election. I'm happy that their support seems very strong this year, it seems a lot stronger than previous years, which shows the peoples understanding about the issues they have been raising for years now are finally getting mainstream recognition.

Ben  said about 5 years ago:

everyone I know to be good has made this their facebook photo

untold/animals  said about 5 years ago:

Way behind the curve as usual, bitch!

intruder  said about 4 years ago:

That's incredible. Sadly unsurprising, but incredible.

Jazzy  said about 4 years ago:

Everyone should twitter and facebook it to all their green friends, unfriend them on twitter and boycott the Australian!!

Jazzy  said about 4 years ago:

I'm deleting them from my friends list now.

TransientRandom  said about 4 years ago:

Yeah, I'm with you, Jazzy. I know most of my right-leaning friends probably wouldn't even bother clicking the 'hysterical lefty propaganda' that spills from my facebook feed, but I think I will anyway. I'm well aware of the Australian's right lean, but I thought they were smarter/had more scruples than this.

Jazzy  said about 4 years ago:

Anyone have any objection as to why boycotting them might be a bad idea? It's a shame we can't read things in the Australian without inadvertently seeming to support their ideology or institution if that makes sense.

LeRayonVert  said about 4 years ago:

I already cancelled my subscription to the Australian (inherited in a household I moved into) about 6 years ago because of their outrageous claims about the Greens. More recently they've also had their war on science , which really highlights how worthless their paper is. Loon Pond is also good for taking the piss out of the idiotic opinion pieces in the Australian (not exclusively from the Oz, but they get featured a lot).

TransientRandom  said about 4 years ago:

Cheers for the links, LeRayon.

I generally ignore this paper, but what a stream of mighty fine journalism they have been churning out over these years. It explains a lot about the ''Informed opinions'' of the besuited types with whom I (try not to, on matters of opinion) deal.

Maximum Sincere  said about 3 years ago:

Not only are the ALP pro-corporate and pro-war, they're also a power-mad rabble of hapless fuckwands. People might think the LNP show a more united front, and (perhaps spuriously) that they're better ''economic managers'', but they're even more pro-corporate and pro-war.

Greens, yo. They're good for you.

Maximum Sincere  said about 3 years ago:

What are you guys, coolsie wingnut cryptofascists?

Davel  said about 3 years ago:

I am green.

I'm a bit worried about Bobs health and the lack of obvious successors.

If only Peter Garrett wasn't such a tosser.

I think that's putting it mildly.

(Lawyer joke: what's the difference between a lawyer and sperm? the sperm has the potential to grow into a decent human being)

astrousersasmind  said about 3 years ago:

I help out the Greens from time to time, always a nice bunch of people to work with, smart, driven and helpful. I too am worried about the state of the Greens post-Bob though. It really is a miracle than any left-wing party can be this big without sliding into factional divisions. Today at Melbourne Uni O Week I walked past Socialist Alliance, Socialist Alternative and the Melbourne Socialists stalls.

black wasp!  said about 1 year ago:

Your wishes came true, astrousersasmind! :/

nomad  said about 9 months ago:

Go you good thing!

MelonHCST  said about 9 months ago:

Good stuff. Richmond and Melbourne, maybe Brunswick?

Gordon  said about 9 months ago:

I don't Brunswick will. Prahran would be funny.

nomad  said about 9 months ago:

ABC's taken Richmond back, but put the Green just into second in Prahran (ie: and will take it on prefs).

gabbo  said about 9 months ago:

Not necessarily in Prahran. VEC still suggest Labor leading.

LeRayonVert  said about 9 months ago:

Still loads of votes to be counted due to all the early votes. At this stage Melbourne looks solid for the lower house (as long as nothing too weird happens with early votes), and Brunswick and Richmond are looking tough. Apparently early votes heavily favoured the Greens in Brunswick last time so might still be a chance. Prahran ... nobody has any idea. In theory any of Labor,Liberal or Greens can still take it, probably Labor are favourites though. It's a fascinating situation, on current counting there are individual booths where each of the three parties win.
For the upper house looks like the current 3 (North Met, West Met, South Met) will be returned, plus one for East Met, and a good chance in SE Met. Would have been a Green in North Vic but Labor preferences put the Country Alliance in instead.

LeRayonVert  said about 9 months ago:

Actually, looks like I was wrong about Prahran, if anything Labor are least likely, but still probably could go any of three ways.

gabbo  said about 3 months ago:

Ludlam, Di Natale, or Bandt... who will succeed Milne?

Sunnyboyz  said about 3 months ago:

Di Natale is probably the one with the safest future job prospects out of those three. Ludlum would be pretty good though.

SnoopDoug  said about 3 months ago:

This seems to have come out of nowhere - or have I not been paying attention?

Ludlum was on instagram yesterday holding a wombat - that's like Libs/Labour kissing a baby for the Greens crew. He's a shoe-in.

Sunnyboyz  said about 3 months ago:

Di Natale elected unopposed. Ludlam and Waters as co-deputies.

Pretty safe option. Di Natale is a good choice imo.

SnoopDoug  said about 3 months ago:

How wrong was I! Just went and checked the webs and saw Di Natale elected unopposed.

MissAustralia2003  said about 3 months ago:

I love Christine Milne, vale and she leaves the party in robust health. Hopefully after 2016 she'll have more time to keep the possums from her garden.

Any of Ludlum, Hanson-Young, Waters, di Natale, Bandt would have been just fine as leader, and it's testament to Milne's leadership that there are so many great Green members whose beliefs are so closely aligned with good stuff. I'd have picked Ludlum myself, but di Natale is AOK by me.

Sunnyboyz  said about 3 months ago:

Di Natale is very measured, rational and not too far out - I think he's a great choice. He's got great knowledge and background on big ticket items like health and science as well. I hope he can bring the issue of West Papua back to the fore, but I imagine his focus will stay domestic for the time being.

I was surprised by the demotion of Bandt - but have just read he is having a new baby, so maybe it was a workload decision.

LeRayonVert  said about 3 months ago:

Adam Bandt on FB ''Congratulations to Senator Richard Di Natale our new Greens leader and the new team. Very happy to hand over reins of Deputy Leader so I can focus on our new baby (due in a few weeks!) and winning further lower house seats in Victoria & New South Wales.''

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