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Israel vs. Palestine 2

Comment I Made about 3 years ago

I watch Al Jazeera all the time dude, I'm astounded by its quality after my initial assumptions of what it was when I was a youngling a few years ago.

However, its market is without a doubt, in the Middle East.

So long as those people fighting on the vessel weren't all secretly IDF actors, then I can hardly see how unedited cam footage of 30-40 people beating the shit out of soldiers can't seem to imprint on your understanding of how they were forced to retaliate.

You can clearly see they weren't even armed with assault rifles; but paintball guns. You can clearly see the paintball feeder mouted on the top of the weapon. Given the violence initially, you must acknowledge how quickly things developed into a situation where the IDF would need to extract its personnel or take control without losing them.

In addition, I'm struggling to see how you can still defend the activists status as a noncombatant after the soldiers were being beaten and thrown down, one of whom was thrown into the water after being knocked down. I hate to get that specific because you can get away from the issue but these actions were not a measured response. Irrespective of how anyone feels about the occupation or even the blockade, the actions of those on the vessel against the IDF didn't de-escalate the situation.

Again, (yes, this is blaming the victim) these things didn't need to turn out the way that they did but to argue that the leadership of that crew (if there was any) isn't culpable for letting things spiral into mob violence rather than standing down seems insane to me.

As for the slurs, none of us are happy but you sound like a fanatic with this position, any information that opposes your view is propaganda, while the loosest hearsay supporting your position is treated as irrefutable fact.


Israel vs. Palestine 2

Comment I Made about 3 years ago

Why don't you contribute to some myriad of aid organisations or join amnesty?

Standing outside embassies does a glorious fuck all. So does getting smarmy because you were presented something that conflicted with the point of view you'd already adopted before reading or seeing what happened.

OF course anything from Israel is propaganda. All evidence becomes ''evidence,'' whereas a reporter on a boat working for Al Jazeera can't possibly have any bias at all.


Israel vs. Palestine 2

Comment I Made about 3 years ago

The video you guys are on about shows a guy talking about taking two casualties.

a) the casualties aren't shown with gunshot wounds, b) why would the IDF *begin *with killing two people, *then send men armed with* paintball guns **onboard?

Furthermore, how can you possibly defend the mobbing of those soldiers, given that even if they successfuly took them hostage, it then becomes a kidnapping mission which inarguably removes the noncombatant status of the vessel.


Israel vs. Palestine 2

Comment I Made about 3 years ago

Are those the actions of a white-flagged activist?


Israel vs. Palestine 2

Comment I Made about 3 years ago


Israel vs. Palestine 2

Comment I Made about 3 years ago

Ok so I just watched that video and it isn't anything really conclusive, it doesn't show anything happening.

Besides, after raising a flag (after allegedly losing 2 people) they decide to fight the boarding crew? it still seems pants on head retarded.


Israel vs. Palestine 2

Comment I Made about 3 years ago

Mo don't be ridiculous - just think about the precedent it'd have set if it was allowed to pass through.

Anyone with an axe to grind would take advantage of it. In fact, they often do already.


Israel vs. Palestine 2

Comment I Made about 3 years ago

I guess, but I don't find protesting anything but domestic issues is effective because of the way nobody overseas will give a shit anyway.


Israel vs. Palestine 2

Comment I Made about 3 years ago

Mo, I'm not saying people should do nothing, but doing something just because it makes you feel better is a victory for nobody.


Israel vs. Palestine 2

Comment I Made about 3 years ago

Rich, relink that URL - it's broken and I'm keen to see it


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